# Chapter XVII explained — The Ladies Lindores > Chapter companion for The Ladies Lindores by Margaret Oliphant. ## What happens John Erskine attends a croquet party at Sir James Montgomery's, where he is questioned about the Lindores family and their life abroad. He struggles with the game and with the local gossip, particularly about the unhappy marriage of Patrick Torrance and Lady Caroline. Miss Sempill and others press him for details, while Miss Barbara Erskine warns him not to bind himself too closely to the Lindores. Sir James Montgomery defends old Tory values, criticizing modern changes like competitive examinations and hospitals, arguing for personal and community responsibility over institutional care. ## Themes in this chapter ### Social Class and Ambition Sir James defends old class distinctions and patronage, while John's mention of Lord Lindores's hospital scheme sparks a debate on social responsibility and change. ### Appearance vs. Reality Gossip about the Torrance marriage contrasts public perception with private suffering; John's polite evasions mask his true opinions. ### Grief and Liberation Lady Caroline's unhappy marriage is discussed with a mix of sympathy and blame, hinting at her potential liberation from a brutal husband. ## Character check-ins ### John Erskine Struggles with croquet and with the constant questioning about the Lindores; receives a warning from Miss Barbara not to bind himself to them. ### Agnes Sempill Eagerly questions John about life abroad and the Lindores; shows interest in the cost of living and amusement abroad. ### Sir James Montgomery Hosts the croquet party; defends old Tory values and criticizes modern changes like competitive examinations and hospitals. ### Miss Barbara Erskine Takes John aside to warn him against binding himself hand and foot to the Lindores. ### Lady Caroline Torrance Subject of gossip at the party; Agnes Sempill asks if she is very unhappy and hints at domestic abuse. ### Patrick Torrance Mentioned in gossip as possibly abusive toward Lady Caroline; John avoids giving an opinion. ## Key lines > You have not played much, Mr. Erskine, I suppose? Oh, it does not matter⁠—when nobody knows, one style of play is just as good as another; but I thought no one could have missed that ball. Agnes Sempill criticizes John's poor croquet play, suggesting that since no one is an expert, any style works, but she is still disappointed he missed an easy shot. _Highlights John's social discomfort and Agnes's bluntness._ > I do not know what people say, was all the answer John could make. John refuses to engage with gossip about the Torrance marriage, pleading ignorance. _Shows John's reluctance to take sides in local scandals._ > John, my man! at your age you think little of good advice⁠—above all, from an old woman; but just one word. You must not bind yourself hand and foot to the Lindores. Miss Barbara warns John not to become too closely associated with the Lindores family. _Foreshadows potential conflict between John's loyalty and local opinion._ > Me democratic and levelling! said Sir James. That will be news. Sir James rejects the label of democrat or leveller, defending traditional hierarchy. _Illustrates the conservative social views of the older generation._ > Let those that belong to them care for them, sir, cried Sir James. I'm saying it in no hard-hearted way. Sir James argues that families and communities should care for their own poor and disabled, not institutions. _Reflects the tension between traditional charity and modern reform._ ## Links - HTML: https://www.betterreads.online/discover/the_ladies_lindores_se/chapters/xvii - Book: https://www.betterreads.online/discover/the_ladies_lindores_se - All chapters: https://www.betterreads.online/discover/the_ladies_lindores_se/chapters